When I see that in print or hear it, it just jumps out at me. It's like I am the one eating glass. It grates on me. English, to me, is such a rich language, with so many different ways to express the same emotion that I hate to see in misused. As far as the assertion "almost never used anymore in common speech", I don't see that. When I do see it, on a Face Book post, or whatever, it is by someone who has a marginal education. No one that I know would ever think of saying that.
"Poetic license", okay. It's your poem. And the rest of the poem uses proper grammar. And I like the sentiment and the rest of the poem. That just got me.
Once you have it in your head, you'll begin to hear it used everywhere! Just you wait! But I'm a descriptivist - most linguists are. But I recognize for most genres of writing a more standardized / prescriptive English is best.
Hmmm. A lot of people are confused. I admit that after 70+ years, I have forgotten many of the actual names for these parts of speech. But never the correct usage. As an avid reader and writer for most of those years, I have had the "correct" super-glued into my brain.
For me, if I hear someone say "I have went there many times", I make some assumptions (and I'm not alone). I assume that the person probably came from a lower economic class, that this is what they heard growing up, and that their education was severely lacking. If one did not have a similar background, I think that would be a very common assumption.
Now that does not necessarily diminish that person. He or she might still be a fascinating individual with much knowledge that they can impart to me. So that's a different topic.
Another observation is that that language generally comes from a younger person. And that is a serious indictment of both our educational system and a cultural shift in values. People don't have the interest in reading that they once had. They don't even comprehend if I talk about the sheer joy of reading a good fiction book. The pleasure of reading the beautiful descriptions. The use of metaphors to add color. They just don't get it. If they can't watch in on a live-stream of a movie, they just don't get it.
One of the saddest things for me, is that my own son, who could not get enough to read from the age of 3 or 4, has become a TV/movie zombie. (He married a woman who thought that way, even though well-educated.) He also is extremely successful financially, and his values have changed dramatically. That saddens me. But he's 47. He has a very good life if you are counting "stuff", while I have gone in a very different direction.
I didn't mean to write the great American novel here. Just thoughts and observations and opinion flowing. I'm glad I had this opportunity to express some of them.
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Poetic allowance. We talk like that so the voice in the poem, says such. It's an interesting subject how in English the past participle is almost never used anymore in common speech, esp. with the pres. perfect and past conditional tenses. Ex. "I've ate there before,. It was good". Nice discussion here https://www.reddit.com/r/linguistics/comments/piaq9e/why_are_past_participle_verbs_disappearing_in_the/
When I see that in print or hear it, it just jumps out at me. It's like I am the one eating glass. It grates on me. English, to me, is such a rich language, with so many different ways to express the same emotion that I hate to see in misused. As far as the assertion "almost never used anymore in common speech", I don't see that. When I do see it, on a Face Book post, or whatever, it is by someone who has a marginal education. No one that I know would ever think of saying that.
"Poetic license", okay. It's your poem. And the rest of the poem uses proper grammar. And I like the sentiment and the rest of the poem. That just got me.
Cheers, amigo!
Once you have it in your head, you'll begin to hear it used everywhere! Just you wait! But I'm a descriptivist - most linguists are. But I recognize for most genres of writing a more standardized / prescriptive English is best.
That link has been removed.
Read under it, there is a discussion with some good points.
Hmmm. A lot of people are confused. I admit that after 70+ years, I have forgotten many of the actual names for these parts of speech. But never the correct usage. As an avid reader and writer for most of those years, I have had the "correct" super-glued into my brain.
For me, if I hear someone say "I have went there many times", I make some assumptions (and I'm not alone). I assume that the person probably came from a lower economic class, that this is what they heard growing up, and that their education was severely lacking. If one did not have a similar background, I think that would be a very common assumption.
Now that does not necessarily diminish that person. He or she might still be a fascinating individual with much knowledge that they can impart to me. So that's a different topic.
Another observation is that that language generally comes from a younger person. And that is a serious indictment of both our educational system and a cultural shift in values. People don't have the interest in reading that they once had. They don't even comprehend if I talk about the sheer joy of reading a good fiction book. The pleasure of reading the beautiful descriptions. The use of metaphors to add color. They just don't get it. If they can't watch in on a live-stream of a movie, they just don't get it.
One of the saddest things for me, is that my own son, who could not get enough to read from the age of 3 or 4, has become a TV/movie zombie. (He married a woman who thought that way, even though well-educated.) He also is extremely successful financially, and his values have changed dramatically. That saddens me. But he's 47. He has a very good life if you are counting "stuff", while I have gone in a very different direction.
I didn't mean to write the great American novel here. Just thoughts and observations and opinion flowing. I'm glad I had this opportunity to express some of them.
Saludos!
Shine on you crazy diamond :-)
I'm trying. It's the polishing that gets in the way.